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Offline Paul K

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Buying Land For Sections
« on: January 13, 2019, 01:33:46 pm »
The Club was given a legacy from Chris Denehan and also has some investments from a 1988 legacy from Terry Hall.  One school of thought is to use the legacy and investments to purchase land for use as section(s).  The Club already owns Blue Hills, thus protecting its use for the Club.

Land in Derbyshire is a good example of why we need our own land.  Without going into details, the Clerk of the Course for the Edinburgh Trial has a difficult time finding and retaining sections.  If the club had its own land in this area, we are in a stronger position to keep the event going in an enjoyable format.

So, if you know of any suitable land that is for sale in Cornwall, Devon or Derbyshire, or might be for sale, make a few enquiries, then pass all the information on to the General Secretary secretary@themotorcyclingclub.org.uk.

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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 02:54:33 pm »
Any chance of buying Black Harry Lane?  ;)

Seriously, that's a great idea.

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 10:53:44 pm »
Bamford!
Cheers, PW.

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2019, 09:11:20 am »
Keinton Mandeville.   :)

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 08:49:39 am »
Someone mentioned to me that the TRF were looking at buying something in Derbyshire.

Would it be worth looking at joining forces (and funds) with them?

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2019, 05:27:21 pm »
Thanks for the input.. as we had forced upon us when i was a wage slave.. no idea is a bad idea.

Regarding 'land for sections' it would ideally from my personal point of view, not include a right of way. For example the Derbyshire Black Harry. it is a green lane as most of us know them, an ancient unsurfaced road bounded by walls. The Govt. inspector was persuaded otherwise and it is now a bridleway.

Even if we owned the land either side and the lane itself we would not have a right to use it as a section, we would have to ask the permission of the local county council.

Bamford Clough is physically similar, an unsurfaced lane bounded by walls. It is though classified as a BOAT ( Byway Open To All Traffic). That's great.. we don't have to have authorization from the council to use it... however... the council have closed the highway as it is in a dangerous state so even if we owned the land either side and the lane itself I understand we could not use it for a trial.  Equally if we did own the land and lane and it was returned to a usable state, we would own and maintain the lane to use it once or twice a year.. and the public would have the right of access 365 days a year 24 hours a day. we could not gate it nor restrict access to any vehicle or user group at any time even during the trial!

What is interesting is that how much land is owned by so few. Throughout the country large tracts and many smaller pieces of land are owned by family groups and 'Estates'  and subsequently rented to many disparate tenants. This group are acquirers and not sellers under almost under any circumstances.

On the other hand the local authority/ national trust/ national park are sellers of parcels of land from less than an acre upwards. current rates vary between £6k and £22k per acre in Derbyshire at the moment. 


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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2019, 09:43:56 pm »
You are dead right about the lanes.

However by buying parcels of land you enable yourself to creating multiple sections on that same patch. Like dudwood for example.

If you buy several patches strewn out you can link them together and make a trial. I wouldn't stop at the peaks either. Going further north into the pennines might yield better results. There's way more trail riding going on up there than in the Peak District.

By the way, word got out pretty quick up here that the club is looking for land. I've had several people at work come tell me. Problem is farmers don't sell much up here.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2019, 09:46:50 am »
If the club managed to buy land in Yorkshire, would it be prepared to extend the trial north rather than wiggling around on itself in Derbyshire?

It would make sense.  Like Jason said, if there are more lanes up there anyway, it would give us more options.

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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2019, 09:37:56 am »
In buying land we have one great advantage which if the sellers are intelligent they will soon grasp. Instead of a constant stream of visitors all year with barbecues shooting etc for 51 weeks of a year all would be undisturbed    apart from restitution and supervision
Items like this may be of use:
 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1388271/Motorway-verges-to-be-wildlife-havens.html

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2019, 05:55:13 pm »
Like it  8)

Maybe planting wild flowers to promote flying insects and bees? Who's going to object to that

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2019, 11:21:33 pm »
Maybe planting wild flowers to promote flying insects and bees? Who's going to object to that
So long as we don't inadvertently turn it into a Site of Special Scientific Interest in which case we'll have shot ourselves in the foot :-[

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2019, 11:41:01 pm »
Get the right patch and you could rent it out for most of the year, thus bringing in an income.